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suzanne
ParticipantHi Greg
Temperament has a genetic & neurobiological underpinning that each animal is born with, on top of which *early* developmental experience is laid. This includes a huge range of influences ranging from the immediate environment, social group, maternal skills (or lack thereof!), sibling (or lack thereof!), extended family, climate, nutrition, competition for resources, etc.At various points in growth, the brain is more plastic than at other periods. Early development in the dog is the first 7-8 weeks. That initial period sets the stage for the dog’s life. Plujimaker, Appleby, et al proposed that the balance between sympathetic and parasympathetic may be set as early as 5 weeks of age! Adolescence is another critical period where the neurobiological underpinning is in flux and more suspectible to certain influences.
During those key development windows, what does — or does not — happen will shape temperament.
Having said all that, step back to an important question: what do you mean by temperament? CARAT deliberately chooses traits that do not shift much, in my experience as a breeder watching generations of dogs live out their full life cycle and as a trainer watching countless dogs move through life.
Now, a lack of experience, traumatic experience, illness, disease, injury, nutrition, etc can affect an animal or person in profound ways. Just like us, our dogs’ biochemistry changes as they mature. Just like us, a mature dog may no longer react to something that really twisted his knickers when a teenage dog. Maturation inevitably involves age related different responses to various triggers.
What is often mistaken for a temperament change falls into two main categories:
— Inaccurate assessment — dog assessed as low energy or “mellow” when actually deeply inhibited by setting
— Mistaking trained coping skills for temperament change.This is a complex topic. Our Q&A sessions in the Intro to CARAT course dive into these questions as we learn to question deeply and carefully what we are observing, and putting the framework of CARAT to work to help our understanding. It’s why those sessions often last 1.5-2 hours per session, even though I offer 2 Q&As per week. There is an awful lot to unpack on this topic, and it is endlessly fascinating!
Suzanne
suzanne
ParticipantHi Greg
It is not a matter of belief. Periods of sensitivity to or fear of novelty are well documented in the long standing literature.
Most accurately, what is sloppily referred to as a “fear period” is more correctly a fear of *novelty.*In dogs, this begins roughly at 4 weeks, when pups will distress vocalize even if warm enough, with bladder/bowels empty and belly full IF they are put in an unfamiliar location. This is the age at which their little legs can carry them further than might be wise, and finding themselves in strange territory, they vocalize to alert mothers and other caretakers. Kind of a puppy 911 call.
Being afraid of novelty requires the distinction between known and unknown (novel). Prior to 4 weeks, puppies don’t even have the sensory apparatus functioning well enough to have much in what I call their Reference Library.”
The fear of novelty period peaks around 9 weeks of age and continues on for a while. Puppies do NOT just wake up in a fearful state during this stage. How they respond depends heavily on their genetic template plus the foundation established (or lacking) due to the raising practices. Enriched puppies in a safe, supportive environment, such as in my Enriched Puppy Protocol develop a deep and broad Reference Library, so that a great deal of life does not fall into the “novel” category.
Sadly for many puppies, their early developmental period prior to 7 weeks is lacking in enrichment. Their Reference Library is so sparse that once placed in their new homes, just about everything is novel and potentially scary for them. When this lack of enrichment (plus their genetic template) results in fearful behavior, the “fear period” gets the blame, as if a healthy, well raised puppy is automatically going to be afraid of its world.
The so-called adolescent fear period is NOT well documented in the literature at all. I can trace it back to information presented by Wendy Volhard and Gail Fisher, who pushed that theory long and hard. Long ago I directly asked Gail for her reference(s) on that, and she had none.
What I believe is happening in that time frame is a combination of factors:
1. Adolescence, which has profound effects on the brain structures & biochemistry
2. Adolescence, which has profound effects on social relationships
3. Adolescence, which has a way of highlighting and exaggerating instabilities in experience, understanding, skills and temperament
4. Hormonal influence — which includes post-neutering hormonal changesFor deeper reading, I’d go back to the early works of Fuller & Scott, Fentress, Woolpy & Ginsburg, Zimen, Fox and others.
FWIW, wolves differ from dogs in that adult wolves do not lose their fear of novelty, a good choice for a wild animal. But by the same token, in ALL social animals there is a SHY——BOLD continuum. So while taken as a species, dogs or wolves or octupi or sheep or birds or whatever all will demonstrate individual variations in their response to novel stimuli or situations. There is value for the species at both ends of the continuum.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6742907/ offers a good comparison and information. BUT do take it with a grain of salt as the researchers were focused on the intensive socialization with humans aspect, and as far as I can tell, the environment was not particularly enriched at all. The presence of a human 24/7 is not, in my experience, the key to raising animals who are resilient when presented with novelty.
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Suzannesuzanne
ParticipantHi Greg
Of those listed, the one I can make a compelling argument for based on observed behavior would be anger.Shame, guilt, remorse – possibly, but those are constructs that I would be hard pressed to pair with observed behavior in a conclusive way. I know many people interpret behavior to fit these constructs, but I’d tread carefully myself.
See this 2015 study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4310318/
Having said that, I do know that in a room of 10 dogs all doing various things, I can say, “Knock it off” or “Don’t!” without using the specific dog’s name, and the only dog who changes what they are doing is the dog who is doing something they know to be not allowed. I’d love to have that replicated for scientists!
Suzannesuzanne
ParticipantHi Greg
This will be FAT v2.0The first version FAT v1.0 was built by a development company that took me for a very very expensive and time consuming ride, and turned out a mostly useless product.
So now 7 years later, our v2.0 is about ready for beta testing in the next couple of months. I had hoped to release FAT this summer, but gotta say few things on the planet move as slowly as developers. To be fair, it is a very complex app, but it’s really pretty amazing, if I say so myself.
Stay tuned! You’ll know when it’s ready to hit the world. It is a game changer in many ways!
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Suzannesuzanne
ParticipantHi Greg
As with my previous answer, I’d ask about the definitions.Without using a shoehorn and WD-40, can you align dog behavior with any definitions of these terms?
One of the four is workable for me. How about you?
Looking forward to hearing your take!
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Suzannesuzanne
ParticipantHi Greg
Jealousy does, in my experience, exist among dogs.First, step back to what we are defining as jealousy. For me, I’d lean on these from the Merriam Webster dictionary:
*hostile toward a rival or one believed to enjoy an advantage* : envious
*intolerant of rivalry or unfaithfulness*
*vigilant in guarding a possession* (not a common usage of jealous, at least here in the US) — this could be an object, or — often — guarding a person’s attention, or proximity to a preferred person
I’ve seen all three definitions fit dog behavior. As with people, there are temperament traits that go hand in hand with “jealousy.” I am on alert wherever anxiety or a lack of confidence or non-productive arousal or poor resilience or fear (or a combo of those) are present.
In particular, I would be watching for what would trigger a shift in the dog’s demeanor. A weird human analogy might be if there was a jealous husband, was that triggered just because his wife smiled at another man or does he have to find her naked in bed with another guy? What does it take for the dog to display behavior that indicates they are uncomfortable with what’s happening? What are they afraid of losing? Is someone actually trying to take advantage of them?
Do I think dogs try to please us? Some do. Some don’t. Always good to remember that when we say dogS, that S stands for statistics, and may have nothing to do with an individual dog. So if I ask you, do people try to please us? Which person?? Some do, some don’t. We even have a term for some folks: “people pleaser” and that label indicates that it is not a universal quality!
Some dogs are biddable, agreeable to trying anything for us just because we ask, and doing the best they can. Others want to know what’s in it for them IF they don’t find the activity intrinsically rewarding. And still others — even if reinforced — may be easily bored or disinterested.
CARAT captures biddability as a trait that can be observed and scored.
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SuzanneJuly 22, 2022 at 6:35 pm in reply to: Excellent article on umwelt, empathy & animals by Ed Yong #12300suzanne
ParticipantHighly reconmmend Ed Yong’s two books, An Immense World and I Contain Multitudes
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